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Terribly Impressed

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:23 pm
by puremusic
After only about a month and a half with this VL card, I am terribly impressed with its capabilities.

Out of the box it's just full of incredible life to the sounds and expressiveness. I have to work to add a mere portion of that expressiveness to my software synths.

I play with it almost every day, when before I only used my breath controller on special occasions.

I ignored the non breath oriented instruments on the VL at first, but the other day for the first time I seriously started playing one of those, and still -- amazingly lively.

I'm obviously going to be buying more VL cards in the future to have polyphony. I'd like to try a trumpet section. I got my Motif Rack ES host inexpensively due to a broken knob which I later mostly fixed. I'm wondering if mixing up different hosts would have latency differences that would matter.

I also wonder is there anything else is out there that is comparable to the VL cards? What are the AN cards like? The FS1R?

If not for your software Rudy these VL cards would be really inaccessible today. Thanks buddy. I greatly appreciate it.

Re: Terribly Impressed

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:18 am
by VL-Wizard
Yes, PLGVL is and will always be an underestimated expressive card. You can do lots of magic once you get under the hood.

If I had more time then I would invest in DX and AN PLG cards....these babies need a better editor and are very powerful

getting proper brass - trumpet out of PLGVL is not easy but doable....

mixing up different hardware hosts should not result in big latency.... the issue is that setting up poly across different hardware host is not easy at all.... the best way to achieve poly with VL is to have a stack (daisy chain) VL70m units.

glad you enjoy the VL-Wizard...

Re: Terribly Impressed

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:10 pm
by puremusic
But your VL Editor program will allow poly over two units correct? :D

Re: Terribly Impressed

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 8:37 am
by VL-Wizard
- the VL-Wizard can is not processing midi in notes, "what comes in, goes out"

- poly across multiple VL70m units is possible but poly across yamaha units containing VL cards is NOT.

Let me explain
- a S90 can contain up to 3 PLGVL cards and can allow 3 note poly. If you play a 4th note then the S90 will stop another note from playing (based on the settings lowest, highest)..... So, even if you hook up a 2nd Yamaha unit that would take care for the 4rd and 5th note, the S90 will keep cutting off its notes because it's midi processor is not made to chain a set of VL units above 3.

SOLUTION: set each VL card of each VL unit on a different midi channel and use an application that does the note midi distribution for you. example http://polymer-app.com/

Re: Terribly Impressed

Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 9:43 am
by puremusic
Thanks again for the example!

If I can't find a decent PC program like polymer I'll mainly just do a split keyboard I think, after all mostly I'm just aiming for 3-note backing chords and to have 1 note leads.

If those poly people aren't thinking of a PC port, I think a MIDI polyphony routing program with a user friendly GUI would be a great project for any programmer to make for the PC all on its own too!

Re: Terribly Impressed

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 8:30 am
by VL-Wizard

Re: Terribly Impressed

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 9:34 am
by puremusic
Thanks Rudy!

Looks like it'll do it from here! I will look at the tutorials.

Re: Terribly Impressed

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 1:25 pm
by puremusic
Ah nope, thought it'd work, but it only does VSTs oddly enough, not hardware MIDI sends.

Re: Terribly Impressed

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 1:30 am
by puremusic
Now I'm investing Bome Midi Translator Classic and BlueCat's Plug'n'Script. I'm guessing one of these might work, though they're both pretty complicated to use for something so simple, it's going to take me a bit to read through how they work and figure them out.

I emailed the Polymer app and heard back from the developer that it could be a couple years for it to be ported to Windows, though that's part of his ultimate goal, he has other fish to fry first.

I made a request on Studio One for a feature to do this, but I'm not holding my breath.

Re: Terribly Impressed

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 6:09 am
by VL-Wizard
the Bome solution is very powerful,

this tool might also offer some solutions...it is used by many expert Wind controller players
https://www.johanlooijenga.com/harmonizer.html